Quote from bartdevuyst on [28/05/2020] à 00:17

This is what Full Throttle will look like when used in HoS. 😎

https://youtu.be/6wnCkYcu5_s

Fixed that for ya 🙂

Quote from Alex81 on [28/05/2020] à 13:59

You have to differentiate light vehicles again by the value of the armor. Vehicles up to armor 5 can be played with the full throttle marker. These are usually not troop transporters (Jeep and / or Zündapp etc.). Vehicles from value 6 (light armored vehicles) the modular system is to be used. I think that this combination makes sense and you generate a light armored vehicles and integrate them into the game differently than before.

I like this middle ground approach. With just full throttle, transport vehicles were getting the short end of the stick. With modular damage, motorbikes and the like would be unrealisticly strong. I did notice that zundapp and the jeeps have 7 movement. 7 movement is a better representation for full throttle and a clear cutoff for modular damage. To go that fast you have to lose your armor, so the 4/5 defensive value would also work. I dont have anything outside of WW2, so I do not know what this would impact in shadows or HoBR.

Quote from Afatman on [29/05/2020] à 00:41

Quote from Alex81 on [28/05/2020] à 13:59

You have to differentiate light vehicles again by the value of the armor. Vehicles up to armor 5 can be played with the full throttle marker. These are usually not troop transporters (Jeep and / or Zündapp etc.). Vehicles from value 6 (light armored vehicles) the modular system is to be used. I think that this combination makes sense and you generate a light armored vehicles and integrate them into the game differently than before.

I like this middle ground approach. With just full throttle, transport vehicles were getting the short end of the stick. With modular damage, motorbikes and the like would be unrealisticly strong. I did notice that zundapp and the jeeps have 7 movement. 7 movement is a better representation for full throttle and a clear cutoff for modular damage. To go that fast you have to lose your armor, so the 4/5 defensive value would also work. I dont have anything outside of WW2, so I do not know what this would impact in shadows or HoBR.

Oh maybe I wasn’t that clear ^^

With the modular damage I was referring to medium vehicles like hslftracks, m8, puma etc. for me light vehicles like jeeps should stay with the current damage system

Quote from Alex81 on [28/05/2020] à 13:59

You have to differentiate light vehicles again by the value of the armor. Vehicles up to armor 5 can be played with the full throttle marker. These are usually not troop transporters (Jeep and / or Zündapp etc.). Vehicles from value 6 (light armored vehicles) the modular system is to be used. I think that this combination makes sense and you generate a light armored vehicles and integrate them into the game differently than before.

I really like this approach. It should also be possible to implement those rules without any reprints which was an requirement.

I think I ll like to playtest this on the weekend 🙂

Quote from evilSpike on [29/05/2020] à 07:10

Quote from Afatman on [29/05/2020] à 00:41

Quote from Alex81 on [28/05/2020] à 13:59

You have to differentiate light vehicles again by the value of the armor. Vehicles up to armor 5 can be played with the full throttle marker. These are usually not troop transporters (Jeep and / or Zündapp etc.). Vehicles from value 6 (light armored vehicles) the modular system is to be used. I think that this combination makes sense and you generate a light armored vehicles and integrate them into the game differently than before.

I like this middle ground approach. With just full throttle, transport vehicles were getting the short end of the stick. With modular damage, motorbikes and the like would be unrealisticly strong. I did notice that zundapp and the jeeps have 7 movement. 7 movement is a better representation for full throttle and a clear cutoff for modular damage. To go that fast you have to lose your armor, so the 4/5 defensive value would also work. I dont have anything outside of WW2, so I do not know what this would impact in shadows or HoBR.

Oh maybe I wasn’t that clear ^^

With the modular damage I was referring to medium vehicles like hslftracks, m8, puma etc. for me light vehicles like jeeps should stay with the current damage system

Maybe I wasnt clear. I was suggesting everything with 6 or more armor would have modular damage (halftrack, puma, m8 and the like). everything with 7 or more movement could use Full Throtle (jeeps and bikes).

Quote from Alex81 on [28/05/2020] à 13:59

You have to differentiate light vehicles again by the value of the armor. Vehicles up to armor 5 can be played with the full throttle marker. These are usually not troop transporters (Jeep and / or Zündapp etc.). Vehicles from value 6 (light armored vehicles) the modular system is to be used. I think that this combination makes sense and you generate a light armored vehicles and integrate them into the game differently than before.

Sorry for using dark Rituals on this thread to reaninate it. Has this idea about full throttle been further developed? Actually we used Alex81's approach. From our perspective it fits perfectly. Small vehicles like Motorcycles feel fast and larger light armored vehicles dont get blown up by every german fire team and their Mutter 😎

Full throttle or not I still think light vehicles need something to justify the cost.

We did try it several times in some free battle matches, where we played with bigger armies. I gotta say it was nice to see light vehicles like troop transporters having a better chance to get to their destination without getting killed by the first shots.

There was one occasion where a Halftrack full of US Infantry got hit by a (lucky) MG42 unit. The modular damage system (from the heavy vehicles) determined that it was immobilized. In the next round the halftrack was able to supress the german machine gun unit before it got blown up by a Panzer (rolling a 6). That gave the unloaded US infantry unit some needed protection to get into cover. Both Players agreed that this was a cool scene.

On the other hand there was a Puma trading shots with a Sherman. It took three hits (1. tracks 2nd canon 3rd tracks again) before it died and almost killed the sherman. I still think that it is ok since there is "only" a 20Points difference between those two units.

As much fun as this game is, it is sometimes difficult to say whether something is "balanced" or not. The dice rolls make everything very "swingy". In theory you could one shot a Tiger tank.

We haven't used this approach in scenarios though. I have the feeling that such a significant rule change could throw off some of the missions.

But we will use it again in free battles. Whether it is a perfect solution I can't say but I still think light vehicles need some "love" 🙂