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Space Marine chapters? posté le [15/03/2018] à 19:46

Hey all – waiting in extreme excitement to get the rest of HoBR delivered in April – I've been looking up and learning more and more about Warhammer 40k. It's not something I am all together familiar with, but the more I learn about the lore and the various factions the more excited I get for the future of HoBR.


I wanted to ask those of you who are more knowledgeable in this world about Space marine chapters. There seems to be a lot of them and I am hoping to see some more then Ultramarines show up for this game- but I couldn't help but wonder- is there a difference between the Chapters or do they all have the same units? I guess they would have different heroes maybe?


So I guess – what do you guys think we will see for the future of HoBR? Are the units we are getting for the Orks and Space Marines in the core and reinforcement packs all the units those two factions have, or are there yet some that have not been included (and if so, which ones)? What more could we expect to see released for these two factions?


We also know that Eldar and Chaos Space Marines will be coming. So what sort of units can we expect to see from these? What will be their mechanics most likely?


I wonder if DPG might already be working on the Eldar and CSM. Very hyped for this – I love HoN and I am loving the Warhammer world the more I learn about it so can't wait to get more of it all. HoN + Warhammer setting is just perfect in my eyes as I love asymetrical factions and Warhammer seems to be pretty numerous in those.


Oh – and if any of you guys have some good lore videos or reads to recommend, I'd love to catch up on more stuff. Thanks and happy gaming =)


Space Marine chapters? posté le [15/03/2018] à 20:20

In the beginning there were 20 Legions, each Legion consisting of thousands and tens of thousands Space Marines. That was in the year 30,000. Each Legion was created from the DNA of a Primarch (really a super, super Space Marine). There are 2 Legions which aren't mentioned in the fluff, why ? anyone's guess.


Then there was a civil war (Chaos, curse them !). Half the remaining Legions went Rogue (turned to chaos) and half stayed Loyal.


After the war (which the Empire won) the remaining Legions were divided into Chapters of a 1000 Space Marines each. 9 of those Chapters retained the colours of the original Legions (Ultramarines, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Salamanders, Iron Hands, White Scars, Imperial Fists & Raven Guard). All the other Chapters (there are around a thousand different Chapters) are descendants from those 9 with the Ultramarines accounting for more than half of them.


Each Legion had its own tactics, units, way of fighting so the Chapters are a bit different with some having completely new units and some not so different from the Ultramarines (which are regarded as the 'normal' Chapters because they follow the Codex Astartes to the letter – their primarch wrote it, so…)


Now it's the year 40,000.


That's a very short history of the Space Marines


The new edition (8th) of the 40K rules contain fluff about Primaris marines (bigger and better marines) but I don't know about that.


Regarding the units from the Ultramarines and Orks… I think most of them are covered by the Core box and Reinforcement packs.


BTW I would like to see some Drop Pods (a transportation device for a single squad of Space Marines dropping from the sky)


Space Marine chapters? posté le [15/03/2018] à 21:50

There are believed to be a thousand different chapters. The most important are the 9 chapters of the 1st Founding and some successors with developed background from the rule books, novels or video games.

The 9 chapters in a nutshell:


Dark Angels (legion 1): as the very first legion, they have more ancient weaponry than other chapters (like plasma guns). This is good since the means to create them is all but lost. After the Horus Heresy their second in command Luther betrayed their primarch Lion el’Johnson. The resulting civil war destroyed their homeworld Caliban. Johnson lies asleep in their fortress-monastery/space ship ‘the Rock’. They and their successors call themselves the Unforgiven and hunt the Fallen (traitors). Luther’s betrayal is a closely guarded secret known only to the members of the Unforgiven's Inner Circles. Their colour is dark green, and their symbol a winged blade.


White Scars (legion 5) hail from the planet Chogoris, which is inhabited by nomadic tribes (like the Mongol tribes). They have a very mobile style of warfare, using jet bikes to perform hit and run tactics. Their primarch Jaghatai Khan is missing in the webway. Their colour is white, and their symbol is a lightning bolt.


Space Wolves (legion 6) hail from the ice planet Fenris which is inhabited by primitive tribes (like vikings). They are obsessed with wolves, using wolf motifs for decoration, dressing themselves with teeth and pelts, and even using wolves in combat. The Space Wolves are at odds with several other factions within the Imperium. They have long canines and heightened senses akin to wolves, but are at risk to mutate into the feral Wulfen. Up until the Ultima Founding they only had 1 successor, the Wolf Brothers, which was disbanded because of rampant mutations. Their primarch Leman Russ is missing in the Eye of Terror. Their colour is greyish blue and their symbol a wolf head.


Imperial Fists (legion 7) are charged with defending Terra. They are experts at fortification. They have the most successor chapters aside from the Ultramarines. They are quite sombre and practice castigation. Their primarch Rogal Dorn is presumed dead, but only 1 of his hands was found and recovered. Their colour is yellow and their symbol is a fist.


Blood Angels (legion 9) hail from the planet Baal and its moons. They favour assault marines (using jet packs and chainswords) and practice rituals involving blood. Their marines suffer from 2 flaws, the Red Thirst (wanting to spill the blood of their enemies, becoming reckless to achieve their goal) and the Black Rage (seeing memories of their dying primarch and becoming insane). Their primarch Sanguinius was killed by the primarch Horus. Their colour is blood red and their symbol a winged blood drop.


Space Marine chapters? posté le [15/03/2018] à 22:04

Iron Hands (legion 10) hail from the planet Medusa. They believe that flesh is weak and strive to augment themselves with bionics. They have very close ties to the Mechanicum. Their primarch Ferrus Manus was slain by the primarch Fulgrim. Their colour is black and their symbol an armoured hand.


Ultramarines (legion 13) hail from the planet Macragge, but they basically manage a mini Imperium called Ultramar (consisting of around 500 worlds). Their geneseed is the most stable, and approximately 60% of the other chapters are successors of the Ultramarines. Their primarch Roboute Guilliman is currently the only active loyal primarch. Their colour is cobalt blue and their symbol an upturned omega.


Salamanders (legion 18) hail from Nocturne and its moon Prometheus. The radiation of their planet turns their skin pitch black. Most of their marines are skilled craftsmen, maintaining their own wargear, which gives their artisans the time to create a lot of masterwork wargear. They favour flamers in combat, and also are members of the Promethean Cult (which involves fire rituals). They are also the most benevolent chapter, doing everything they can to protect citizens. Their primarch Vulkan is a perpetual (immortal) but his whereabouts are unknown. Their colour is green and their symbol a salamander head.


Raven Guard (legion 19) hail from Deliverance, the moon of the planet Kiavahr. They are masters of urban and guerilla warfare, favouring stealth, sabotage, and assassination techniques. They have very unstable geneseed (which leads to them being very slow in replenishing their numbers), and have albino skin. Their primarch Corvus Corax is missing in the Eye of Terror. Their colour is black and their symbol a raven.


Space Marine chapters? posté le [16/03/2018] à 08:46

Frankly, as much as I would love to play a Space Wolf chapter in HoBR, I'd much rather DPG spends the limited resources/time to do a totally new army (Tau, Necron, Tyranid, AdMech, SoB, IG, Chaos, Eldar, Daemon or Dark Eldar) before doing another Marine Chapter (with exactly same troops as Ultras already have with just a different armour colour).


If the DPG resources were unlimited, then I'd love to have everything in 40K turned into HoBR army.

But the hard realities of limited money and time make the need to choose carefully what armies to do important.

The planned Eldar and Chaos armies sound great. I'm especially looking forward seeing how the Eldar Aspect Warriors turn into HoBR counters.


Next after that? Imperial Guard (I refuse to call them Astra Militarum…) might be needed to round out the Imperial faction, altough we can already rep the IG with WW2 armies if needed.


Tyranids might be nice army to face. They have a great variety in troop types and sizes.


Tau would make a great army that looks a bit different from other armies.


If another Marine Chapter makes appearance, I'd choose Space Wolves for that. They are the chapter that differs the most from a Codex chapter (which the Ultramarines represent). (They are my favourite 40K army, so I might be a bit biaised here…).


Other chapters that differ a bit from Ultras (apart from armour colour) are Blood Angels and Dark Angels. Salamanders might be a nice chapter to do, but they are already mostly similar to Ultras.


Lots of choises. Too many choises actually, when we consider the limited resources available.


This is supposed to be a joyful occasion. Lets not bicker and argue about who killed who.

Space Marine chapters? posté le [16/03/2018] à 13:14

Thank you so much @eclo and @altheous1 ! This was a super neat read for me and I'd love to hear more about them, and the other factions. Does the Chaos Space Marines operate with chapters also? Are they just evil copies of Space Marines? Thanks you so much for taking the time <3


@Colhammer – I completely agree. I would love to see more factions. I just figure it's likely they will add more content to current factions and if so, they might do some different Chapters in a smiliar way they did divisions for HoN (Airborne, etc.). I imagine they might even get their own order tokens and dices in a similar way to those HoN divions did. I would prefer more factions being prioritized, but seeing as we are likely to get more "divisions" for the original factions at some point, I was just pondering what they could be =)


I don't know much about the other factions either so I would love to hear about these also and what potential factions we could see besides the four factions mentioned already.


Space Marine chapters? posté le [16/03/2018] à 14:20

ive played 40k going all the way back to rogue trader but quit by 5th or 6th edition and refused to touch any gw product because of cost and where they went with all of there major games. i figured this would be a good alternative to there evil empire and tried to buy all of the pre orders when they first came out but the store would not accept my pre orders at the time so was not able to…anyways if and when i decide to buy in. if i had to get a second chapter of marines i would say bring on the imperial fists there my all time favorite chapter…yellow is a bitch to paint by the way


Space Marine chapters? posté le [16/03/2018] à 14:23

The civil war 10.000 years before present time divided the 20 original legions into 2 camps. Some followed the Emperor of mankind (Loyalists) and some followed the Warmaster Horus (Traitors).


The war was fought a long time and was decided in the siege of Earth where the Traitors attacked the Loyalist forces in a final assault in the Emperors palace.


After the Traitors lost, the survivors retreated into an area of space called the Eye of Terror. Most of the Traitor Legions started to worship the Gods of Chaos and plot a revenge when the time was right…


Fast forward 10.000 years.


At the present time the remnants of the original Traitor Legions are known as Chaos Space Marines (very original name…) and they still plot the downfall of mankind. The Legions have divided into smaller warbands and each one worships one of the Chaos Gods.


If we are getting Khorne marines (Khorne is the god of blood and warfare), they are probably from the Legion called World Eaters and focus on close assaults and bloodshed mainly (Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!)


So, expect Red Space Marines with spikes. Mostly running around carrying chain-axes and other close combat gear. The regular Chaos Marines are pretty much equipped the same way as Ultramarines, but do not have as big a choice in vehicles. Also they can summon some daemons from the Warp (Bloodletters, Hounds of Khorne, Juggernauts and the mighty Bloodthirsters).


This is supposed to be a joyful occasion. Lets not bicker and argue about who killed who.

Space Marine chapters? posté le [16/03/2018] à 15:20

Like I wrote in my first post and Colhammer said earlier there were 9 Legions that turned traitor. They fled after the war was lost (that civil war btw is called 'The Horus Heresy') to a region where the normal laws of physics don't apply -> almost pure chaos stuff.


The 9 legions fought one another, fought themselves, fought everyone until they splintered into an untold number of Warbands.

Some Legions retained their Legion structure and ranking (Word Bearers) but others almost disintegrated (Emperors Children)


The 9 Legions are :


Death Guard : they follow Nurgle, god of Disease, rebirth, etc… They are bloated, rotting marines but extremely tough (they don't feel pain I guess)


Thousand Sons : follow Tzeentch, god of magic. These warbands are led by sorcerers who command automatons


Emperors Children : follow Slaanesh, god of Pleasure. These Marines are slaves of their own senses, always wanting to experience more extreme things (they use Sonic weaponry)


World Eaters : follow Khorne, god of war, battle,… They are mindless berserkers, close combat specialist, completely crazed


Word Bearers : worship Chaos as a whole. Their Chaplains are leaders of these warbands. They most closely hold on to their Legion origins and don't have small warbands but larger hosts (more than 1000 Marines)


Alpha Legion : they fight a covert war of sabotage and insurrection, the most strange legion (some people even think they are still loyal to the emperor)


Night Lords : ruthless killers, maniacs, torturers, the most evil of all Marines (and that's quite something)


Iron Warriors : bitter and paranoid, only trust their wargear, siege experts. They are the most advanced in creating warmachines combined with deamons.


Last but not Least:


Black Legion : This Legion was previously called 'the Sons of Horus' (hence the name of the war) and before that 'Luna Wolves'. They are the strongest and most numerous, containing warbands from all other Legions. Their Lord claims he is the new Warmaster, second in command to the Emperor they betrayed.


Potentially 9 new factions here 😉


These Legions all have some new units but share the most common (just like the loyal chapters now). For example you will find tactical marines in every legion (they are just called 'chaos space marines' now


Space Marine chapters? posté le [16/03/2018] à 16:34

The potential next loyal chapter will be the Imperial Fists because they acted during Eagle Gate (and it is the second license we have).


I have no schedule to indicate you when we will release it (I think more next year).


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Space Marine chapters? posté le [16/03/2018] à 16:40

Eagle Gate


http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Battle_of_Eagle_Gate


Iron Fists


http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Iron_Fists


But I don't see the connection… or do you mean 'Imperial Fists' ?


Space Marine chapters? posté le [16/03/2018] à 19:35

Just to take this thread completely off track…


The Emperor is a Chaos God, and his number is 5 😉


(I admit that my knowledge of WH40K is old and a bit vague. I was a WHFB player back in the day, but many of my friends were into WH40K.)


But here are some points:

– The Emperor is a chaos god because he certainly isn't a human (at least not anymore). He has everlasting life. He also has the gift of foresight. Did he see the heresy coming and plan for it?

– What if he wanted a civil war so that he can become a god by getting "preserved" in the golden throne. Now the entire human empire worships him, although they claim they do not.

– How convenient that after the heresy people fear Chaos and let the empire do whatever they want.


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Space Marine chapters? posté le [16/03/2018] à 20:13

This is super interesting. Thanks @Eclo and @Colhammer – all this just makes me more and more excited for what's coming next for HoBR xD


Quote from Axel on [16/03/2018] à 16:34

The potential next loyal chapter will be the Iron Fists because they acted during Eagle Gate (and it is the second license we have).


I have no schedule to indicate you when we will release it (I think more next year).


Wow. That is a pretty cool reveal right there x3. I dont't really know how licensing work for these kind of situations, but I guess you have to have a license for each faction and sub faction then? So no Eagle Gate this year huh? Good to know =)


Hey @Axel – will we be getting Eldar and Chaos Space Marines this year (or can you not say yet?). Will the Eldar and Chaos Space Marines have their own core box and any chance of us getting a early release demo for that as well? =)


^ Sorry if I am not allowed to ask you these things – I'm just so hyped for HoBR and what will come with it that it's hard to contain the excitement lol. Going to be playing the HoBR demo with my girlfriend this weekend – have had such a blast with just the demo so far.


Space Marine chapters? posté le [16/03/2018] à 21:52

Quote from LionSaurus on [15/03/2018] à 19:46

So I guess – what do you guys think we will see for the future of HoBR? Are the units we are getting for the Orks and Space Marines in the core and reinforcement packs all the units those two factions have, or are there yet some that have not been included (and if so, which ones)? What more could we expect to see released for these two factions?


Oh – and if any of you guys have some good lore videos or reads to recommend, I'd love to catch up on more stuff. Thanks and happy gaming =)


The currently known products cover roughly over half of the different Space Marine units as used by the Ultramarines and most other chapters (Blood Angels + successors, Dark Angels + successors, Space Wolves, and Black Templars have some unique units).

The units currently missing are:



  • Chapter Command: Honour Guard Squad, Master of the Forge, Chapter Ancient, Chapter Champion

  • Company Command: Command Squad, Company Veterans

  • Elites: Sternguard Veteran Squad, Terminator Assault Squad, Cataphractii Terminator Squad, Tartaros Terminator Squad

  • Heavy Support: Centurion Devastator Squad, Centurion Assault Squad

  • Transports: Drop Pod

  • Walkers: Ironclad Dreadnought, Venerable Dreadnought, Contemptor Dreadnought

  • Light Vehicles: Bike Squad, Attack Bike Squad, Scout Bike Squad, Land Speeder Squadron

  • Tanks: Land Raider Crusader

  • Artillery: Whirlwind, Stalker, Hunter

  • Aircraft: Stormraven Gunship, Stormhawk Interceptor

  • Ultramarines characters: Marneus Calgar, Varro Tigurius, Antaro Chronus


For reading: you can easily spend a couple of hours on either Warhammer 40k Wiki, or Lexicanum. If you meant novels, there are (IMHO) 2 good entry points:



  • the Eisenhorn series by Dan Abnett, 4 novels: Xenos – Malleus – Hereticus – Magos

  • the Horus Heresy series (currently 48 books and counting) is a 'prequel' series which expands upon a lot of plot points which were previously only mentioned in the rulebooks. Especially the first 3 novels are highly recommended: Horus Rising – False Gods – Galaxy in Flames.


Space Marine chapters? posté le [16/03/2018] à 22:01

Quote from Axel on [16/03/2018] à 16:34

The potential next loyal chapter will be the Iron Fists because they acted during Eagle Gate (and it is the second license we have).


I have no schedule to indicate you when we will release it (I think more next year).


Iron Fists? While I'd like it if GW allowed you to flesh out a minor chapter (like Relic did with the Blood Ravens in the Dawn of War series), I have to ask if you meant either the Imperial Fists or Iron Hands :p


Also, AFAIK Ultramarines where the only loyal chapter employed at Eagle Gate, at least based on my old 6th edition rulebook. Was this battle mentioned in some codex, or featured in a Black Library story?


EDIT: reread the Eagle Gate story, and it mentions Imperial Fists. My bad.


Space Marine chapters? posté le [16/03/2018] à 22:24

Imperial Fist, my bad.


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Space Marine chapters? posté le [17/03/2018] à 07:57

So "Battle of Eagle Gate" is what you are working on if read between the lines…


On the Chaos side that means : Word Bearers led by a Daemon Prince, Khorne Berserkers, Black Legion, Iron Warriors and Night Lords and even the Tyrant of Badab and his Red Corsairs.


Nice, very, very nice. I especially like the Iron Warriors


Space Marine chapters? posté le [17/03/2018] à 08:13

I don't mind if we are getting Imperial Fists a.k.a. YellowMarines. At least they will stand out in the battlefield!


Also, If the chaos marines will be Word Bearers, I'm cool with that.


This is supposed to be a joyful occasion. Lets not bicker and argue about who killed who.

Space Marine chapters? posté le [17/03/2018] à 11:39

Quote from Axel on [16/03/2018] à 22:24

Imperial Fist, my bad.


Quote from Eclo on [17/03/2018] à 07:57

So "Battle of Eagle Gate" is what you are working on if read between the lines…


On the Chaos side that means : Word Bearers led by a Daemon Prince, Khorne Berserkers, Black Legion, Iron Warriors and Night Lords and even the Tyrant of Badab and his Red Corsairs.


Nice, very, very nice. I especially like the Iron Warriors


Quote from Colhammer on [17/03/2018] à 08:13

I don't mind if we are getting Imperial Fists a.k.a. YellowMarines. At least they will stand out in the battlefield!


Also, If the chaos marines will be Word Bearers, I'm cool with that.


Wait – so does that mean Imperial Fist will come with their own order tokens and dices? SO with the Eagles Gate release we would actually have all we need to start playing four players? Ultra Marines, Ironfist Marines, Orks and Chaos Space Marines?


That would be terrific!


Space Marine chapters? posté le [17/03/2018] à 13:22

Quote from LionSaurus on [17/03/2018] à 11:39

Wait – so does that mean Imperial Fist will come with their own order tokens and dices? SO with the Eagles Gate release we would actually have all we need to start playing four players? Ultra Marines, Ironfist Marines, Orks and Chaos Space Marines?


Seeing that the Space Marine tokens are blue with an Ultramarines symbol on it it would be nice to have bright yellow tokens and dice (Imperial Fists do have their pride)


But 4 players ? I don't know. My guess is that the Imperial Fists will be a substitute for the Ultramarines, not a separate player army (just like the Panzer-Lehr and Falschirmjager are to the German Army)


My guess is the 4th player (with full deck of cards) will be the Imperial Guard or Mechanicum.


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