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Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures
Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [01/06/2013] à 22:49

HoN has got me thinking about squad level WWII games, and the one that springs to mind is the Sergeants Miniatures game. Previously I had avoided this game due to it being a bit on the expensive side together with the difficulty in getting it in the UK, but I’m now thinking seriously about it. However, having made the commitment to HoN, I wonder if the two are so similar that it would be a bit of overkill to have both. I am assuming that there are some SMG players out there who have gone for HoN, and who might have some opinions as to how close they seem. Of course since HoN isn’t out there yet I realise that any comparison would be provisional, and I’m not looking for a comparison in terms of one being better that the other, just whether or not they sufficiently different to make it worth parting with even more cash.


Keith

Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [02/06/2013] à 00:28

Keith, while I do not own Sergeants, I have played it numerous times with a friend is is heavily invested in it. The differences between the two games can be summed up as follows, generally:

Sergeants is very much about individual soldiers and their actions. Your control of each soldier is partially dependent on your cards; individual tactical moves for each soldier are very important. On any given turn, you will probably identify heavily with each individual soldier and his skills and identity.

In HoN, since you are representing squads and support equipment. Tactical choices such as facings and individual load-outs or skills are less important than squad-level fire and movement. The heroes will ramp up the cinematic aspect of HoN.

Sergeants, at least as it has been shown to me so far, has little to no platoon-building rules. I may be wrong on this. HoN is all about the platoon building and option selection.

The other major difference is the price point. IF you kickstarted HoN, you’re going to get a LOT more options for games than you would with Sergeants. However, the painted minis for Sergeants are mostly very well done. (We had one pack opened which had some flash, but the company mailed my friend a replacement right away, no charge.) My issue with not getting into Sergeants was simple that I couldn’t afford to invest in all the extra packs of men as they came out. With HoN, I got a LOT more variety: my $300 picked me up 24 platoons of American, German, British, Canadians, and Free French. With Sergeants, the same amount would get me several squads of Germans and Americans, but not as much in the way of optional extras.

In short terms, they are very different in the way they play, and in the focus between individual named soldiers and squads. Overall, both excellent games, but HoN was exactly what I wanted, where Sergeants just didn’t quite scratch that 15mm minis itch. Your mileage may vary! 😀


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Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [02/06/2013] à 09:43

Sounds like Sergeants would make a great basis for an X-Com game.


Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [02/06/2013] à 09:47

Love X-com ! Why not contacting them and try to make the board game… I’ll try that 😉


Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [02/06/2013] à 09:51

That would be a nice circle to close since I’m pretty sure it was Snapshot (GDW) -> RebelStar Raiders -> XCom


Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [06/06/2013] à 14:35

That would be a nice circle to close since I’m pretty sure it was Snapshot (GDW) -> RebelStar Raiders -> XCom


And that closes another circle for me, since Traveller(GDW) -> Snapshot, and Traveller just finished their Kickstarter 😀


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Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [06/06/2013] à 17:52

I do own SMG. A small fortunes worth actually, with a large buy in for the Red Devil’s KS on the way. 😳 SMG is a miniatures game played on a board much like HoN.


With out going into too much detail I’ll try to cover some of the differences between these games.


SMG is card driven. No dice. Each soldier is unique with a few set characters from the starters as exceptions. As in soldiers will never be duplicated. Each soldier has a Stat card and 7 action cards. You purchase soldiers by their point value which varies depending on abilities. All of your purchased soldier’s action cards are shuffled into an action deck. From this you draw your hand each turn. You place secretly, one card for each of the three phases during the turn. A ‘story’ deck is drawn from to show the options for what you may play in each of the three phases per turn. Such as ‘Move then Shoot’ for Phase one. ‘Look then Move’ for Phase two. So you must play either a Move or Shoot for phase one. When you Shoot/attack you flip your top Action deck card to see the result. Miss, Hit, or Hit+. Your opponent the draw from his deck to see the result of hits. Miss, Pin, Wound, Kill.


So you can see SMG is more about building a squad that will work for the task at hand. You will need to learn which of your soldiers, as all are unique, will be better at what jobs. The more soldiers you own, the more options you have. During a game each person really should not control more than one squad and squads should be kept at a reasonable number.


So to sum it up. Other than the differing game mechanics it boils down to SMG is about you controlling a squad. In larger battles you will be working as part of a team. Say three players per side for a Platoon on Platoon. HoN looks to me like a platoon or two per player type of game


I feel they are both sufficiently unique to justify owning both.


I hope this helps.


Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [06/06/2013] à 18:38

Thanks WillB and AKDOYLE,


I decided to go for it and ordered Day of Days, Road to Carentan and a squad box each of German and US troops, much to the detriment of my credit card. I just missed the Red Devils KS unfortunately but that may be just as well as I would probably have ended paying a small fortune there as well.


Keith


Keith

Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [06/06/2013] à 20:19

Congrats, Keith! I’m sure you’ll enjoy the game enough to justify the expense. It is an amazing system! (So’s HoN, tho.)


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Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [31/01/2014] à 23:05

Turned out that the game was out of stock and I never got round to buying it but I notice there is a KS going on ATM for a cardboard rather than a miniatures version (much cheaper).


Keith

Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [02/02/2014] à 11:22

There is a slightly larger scale version on Kickstarter at the moment called D Day Sergeants https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1649576328/d-day-sergeants-boardgame?ref=search


I always fancied the original but was put off by the overall cost. The new version looks like a good compromise. You could buy figures from a variety of companies to replace the stand ups if you wanted.


As for me HON will allow me to game at a larger scale with plenty of vehicles.


Cant wait!


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Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [17/01/2016] à 13:42

Ive just found HoN in the past 2 weeks and become engrossed in the game. I wondered how gameplay and complexity of sergeants was compared to HoN.


Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [18/01/2016] à 23:35

Newbie1994, AKDOYLE's post earlier in the thread is an excellent summation of the differences. I like both games, and they both are designed with fun of play being more important than accurate simulation. My experience has been that HoN is faster, but also way more random. The few times I've played Sergeants, it was a more considered and thoughtful kind of game. I do things with my troops in HoN I would never consider trying in Sergeants. AKDOYLE can probably be reached here if you want to ping him for specifics.


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Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [19/01/2016] à 00:37

I fully agree with AKDOYLE's analysis of the two games (higher up in this thread). I have both and LOVE both. They are very different in mechanics and presentation.


Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [20/01/2016] à 22:08

It seems a really interesting game. I researched a little after reading this threat. It would be interesting to see a more personal story that goes with the platoons in HoN which could easily be done. I love this idea of squads having stories or platoons having previous experiences. But sergeants looks a little too complex for me.


Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [14/06/2017] à 02:58

Just saw this thread. Neither version of Sergeants is really complex. I have played SMG since it was first introduced. The biggest issue has been some rules clarifications that were needed, like HON in that regard.


If you check the boards there are people willing to help you answer any questions.


Honestly, I have played more Sergeants than HON. It is a really fun game that I have seen 10 year olds understand after a turn or two. I feel that HON is much more complicated than Sergeants once you get over the initial hurdles.


Comparison with Sergeants Miniatures posté le [17/05/2018] à 08:48

It is an amazing system!


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